Friday, May 06, 2005

John Titor and time travel

A word of caution: this is a pretty big post so dont start on this unless you have atleast 15-20mins to spare. If you do read through this just sit back and relax, it'll be fun and you wont be disappointed especially if you are a fantasy or mystery freak.

"Some folks at MIT are holding a time-travelers' convention. The idea is to make it so famous and so widely-known that even thousands of years in the future, people will still know exactly when and where this time-traveler convention went down, and will all come travel to it at some point in their illustrious time-traveling careers. For those interested in attending, it's on May 7, 2005, 10:00pm EDT (08 May 2005 02:00:00 UTC) in the East Campus Courtyard at MIT. 42:21:36.025N, 71:05:16.332W (42.360007,-071.087870 in decimal degrees)."

Time travel? Can we travel in time just for the heck of it or to try and set things right? You would probably say that if you could, you might wish to see the birth of Renaissance, the Russian and French Revolution, the Jallianwallah Bagh. If you have any pretensions of being righteous you might want to prevent the murder of Gandhi or maybe kill Hitler or prevent the nuclear holocaust. But, are you sure that Hitler wasnt killed by a time traveller who decided to stop him before more Jews could be prosecuted? Is time travelling really travelling in time or travelling through space and time to reach a different dimension, a parallel world? Maybe the Asimov fans could counter this. What if you could travel at the speed of light to travel in the future or travel through a black hole to travel back in time?

Theres always the timeline to worry about. Let us suppose a close friend of yours or a family member died a few years back through unnatural circumstances, if you can go back in time and prevent it from happening, how will the timeline be affected? For example, a 20 year old has missed his Dad since birth, who died in an accident, if this fatalistic passage in time could be avoided how will the timeline change. (Check out a movie called frequency) If you change your own past can you go back to your own future to reap the benefits or would the new future have a new you to match it. I believe even if you can go back in time to change an event, you never change your past, but rather just chart a new future. Well if you think that it is impossible to change the past, then you have to conclude that it is impossible to change the future too because your future is somebody else's past. Which means the way your life turns out has already been determined and cannot be changed. Sounds fatalistic right? I hate it too.

While we talk about time travelling in the present age, what about the possibility of a time traveller from the future or from the past. But when he does, he'll instantly split the timeline, and the one he came from will become a parallel universe to the one he's in. Why? Because in order for a time traveler to notice a certain incident in the future, say for example the MIT convention, it will have to happen at least once without him. In fact, the moment he interacts with anything or anyone from our timeline when he arrives, is when the timeline splits, because he wasn't there the first time around. Also, when he goes back to the future, his timeline will have been altered and he may not even exist in the timeline he returns to; and he will have no way to get back to his own previous future timeline, unless he goes back again a little earlier and tells his alternate self to go back immediately without going to the convention. This gives rise to what is called as a grandfather paradox.

Who the hell is John Titor? Well, hes purpotedly a time traveller from the future. The first time I read about John Titor, I felt like when I first read about Nostradamus, UFOs and ghosts. The possibility of another existence, a parallel world, such a discovery could lead to tremendous possiblities. You see, Im sort of a fantasy freak and I like mysteries, especially where theres none. Alright no tarrying lets get back to John Titor. John Titor or Timetravel_0 as he was first known in Internet bulletin boards during 2000/2001, claimed to be a timetraveller from the year 2036. A soldier, he claims to have been recruited by a government time travel program along with three other soldiers to travel back in time to retrieve an IBM 5100 computer which he claimed was needed to "debug" various legacy computer programs in 2036. It is also useful to note that Titor stated in Internet bulletin boards, that he had no interest in "proving" that he was a time traveler, and many of his "predictions" were offhand comments or answers to specific questions. Titor himself explained that he was not going to give anyone information that they could use to save themselves or profit by. (Check Back to the Future)

Some of Titor's prediction: Between the years 2000 and 2036 Titor depicts what can be described as World War III followed by two decades of recovery. He claims that the genesis for World War III began in 2004 with the US presidential elections, which is followed by a second American Civil War leading to rising tensions in Middle East. This is followed by Russia nuking many US cities to put an end to the civil war and China effectively taking over Taiwan, Japan and Korea. He goes to point out that the new seat of power in the US become Nebraska and the society in 2036 pays more empahsis on religion, personal interaction and self succiency. However in his predictions, technology does not seem to be much affected with continuing advances in rapid transportation, space travel and genetic engineering. Much of his predictions and some omens that foretell the accuracy of his prediction can be found in a John Titor fans website. His fans are even called as Titorites.

What makes John Titor believable? Titor's story is accompanied by a well described theory of how exactly he manages to travel in time that is consistent with known concepts of time travel and black hole mechanics. He also talks about the philosophical impact on society created by the realisation of the existence of multiple timelines. The theory was supported by pictorial evidence, including schematics and photographs of his "time distortion gravity displacement" machine, as well as a photograph of it in use showing a laser beam being bent by the time displacement outside the 'vertical safe distance' of the time travelling vehicle.

What makes Titor sound like a charlatan? Why should Titor travel back in time to collect a 1975 computer considering the technological advances in 2036? Titor's internet postings are riddled with spelling and grammatical errors, and present-day linguists do not predict major changes in spelling or verb usage over the course of the next thirty years - such major linguistic changes take centuries to evolve. Titor's claims about future events are disconcertingly vague - if a project team was going to send somebody back in time, surely they would send back a person who had at the very least a basic grasp of recent history, including concrete facts such as significant dates, persons, and events from 1998-2036. His failure to "predict" 9/11 is seen as a glaring oversight. Some label Titor as an American internet radical along the line of militias existent during the Clinton administration. Scientists and physicists who analysed the science involved in Titor's time travel explanations, state it is impossible, both in theory and practice. Titor's story, many claim, plagiarizes older science novels to construct his time travelling stories and the similarity to the storyline of Twelve Monkeys is quite striking. Also, there is the entirely believable possibility that people are still extremely gullible to believe the plausibility of Titor's time travel and stories of a post-apocalypse world. Nostradamus and modern age city-grown Yagava Munivar's, are a testament to this fact.

To what extent do we believe John Titor and his prediction of the future. After all, he paints a pretty bleak picture of a harsh life after nuclear war and how water must be filtered to remove radioactive particles.

In Titor's own words:

As far as I can tell right now, you are headed toward the same events I would call "my history" in 2036. However, the very nature of time travel states that every worldline is unique and you are very much in control of what you do and how you get there.

You are able to change your worldline for better or worse just as I am.
Therefore, any "prediction" I might make has a slight chance of being incorrect anyway and you now have the ability to act on it based on what I've said. Can you stop the war before it gets here? Sure. Will you do it? Probably not.


Yes, it's very possible that what I say would spin your future off into a different direction.

John Titor and the compelling story around his "travel" is made of numerous damnable facts that are neither entirely believable nor entirely falsifiable. It is for this very reason many such stories will be built around him now and in the future, who knows maybe in the past in a different worldline and timeline.

Alright folks, as usual comments are invited for discussion. If we are unable to find a middle ground in our views and opinions through the blog lets meet in person. Just point out where you are at the moment in your galactic and solar orbits relative to a few quasars, please? I'll meet you in the past, present or future!!

P.S: for more information check out www.johntitor.com

17 comments:

sensiblystoned said...

I had no choice, you and vitalstatisix started thinking off tangent and I had to write about something else :) Plus I had to write something "nerd"ian. Well, now Ive written about cricket, love, god and time travel. See, a nerd can write about lots of things. What say fellow nerd and phdian? :)) Haha.

I landed upon this MIT convention by chance, one thing led to another and I was reading about this John Titor. I remember I spent a good part of the afternoon reading about him and I thought a few out there would be interested in reading about this. If only our advisor knew about this ;) hehe.

wookie said...

Hey, very interesting topic.I skimmed through John Titor's posts on www.johntitor.com.I was disappointed that India wasn't even mentioned in the turn of events from now till 2036.Is it possible that timetravelers can mess up the dates and end up in wrong timelines?His advices to people of this time & age make sense to me-grow & eat your own food(organic),avoid diseases,learn to do stuff with your hands,learn about sanitation..I think being self-sufficient(as far as basic needs are considered) is an excellent way of living.You know Gandhi preached & practised the same(BTW I not too fond of Gandhi).I am yet to explore the topic completely,but right now I am so dazed.I am keen to read more stuff on the same topic-will you be posting any?Maybe about your convention(couldn't read the link provided).

M. said...

Time travel is interesting but personally I think its the "predictions" part thats really got everyone interested. We all like to know about the future...whether or not we believe what astrologers say or whether that dictates how we conduct our lives,there's no denying that its all fun to listen to.
This may be a little more serious than that perhaps .I dont think time travel is a possibility yet.....and I hope it never is!!
p.s. Font's good now..:)

Vetti Guy said...

Good article.Since I had lot of time during a typical Saturday afternoon, I could read the whole thing.

sensiblystoned said...

wookie: You are absolutely right, the fact that Titor did not mention anything about India but you got all these economists and businessmen saying that India will be a force to reckon with in the next two decades, is one of the main reasons im skeptical of Titor. And his advice to get back to self sufficiency, post apocalyptic world and dystopic future feeds on peoples mind and make people want to believe him. Actually I wanted to post more about grandfather paradox and about time travel. But it can get too technical, lets see. Maybe in my next post I shall write about the convention and of grandfather paradoxes. It can be interesting.

misha: Im glad you liked the font. Im not much of a believer in astrology or predicting the future. But somethings have happened and somethings I dont understand keep reminding me of a preordained future or fate. Just like we dont want to think about ghosts, I think fate too is a universal paradox.

mystic: thanks for reading through, there was so much more I wanted to say. Maybe next time I should split it into two posts.

Baejaar said...

"to conclude that it is impossible to change the future too because your future is somebody else's past."

I am not too sure about this. Lets have a look at the concept of time splits. It is believed that there are infinite no of parallel universe existing at the same instant. But each universe has a different history. So in total all possible permutations and combination of events exist.

Say for example, I have a choice of writing this comment and not writing this comment - then there are two more universe - one (say A) in which I did post the comments and the other (say B) in which I didnt.

So in the future, for people in universe B the past is that no comments whereas for universe A there is comments. In both the cases the future of this comment has been decided. However what is there in my hand is in which future, I want to live in. I can decide whether to live in Universe A or Universe B.

sensiblystoned said...

photon: thanks dude for the taking the time off your quals and reading through the long article :)) lol. Im nowhere near being a writer dude, far from it. The company will still be the top priority among a lot of other things but writing....hmm i dont think so :)

baejaar: good observation and good clarity of thought I must definitely say. But, I was talking about going into the future and changing it. Thanks for stopping by. You seem to have three blogs, Im a little confused about them three, which serves what purpose? Which one do you post on?

Panch said...

nice post! I had read abt joh titor nealy a year back, but never really gave it a big thought. having read your blog now, I have many thoughts on the subject and i actually intend to write a post on this as i thought it mite be too big for a comment. So watch out for that on my blog, so that we can discuss further.

Baejaar said...

"going into the future and changing it" - Thats true. From the future, one can travel back in time. However if he changes the past then he moves into one of the parallel universe where only the changed past had ever occured.

I do have three blogs. Sorry the blogger profile doesnt give an oppurtunity to display a jist or short summary of it.

1. SudaSudaCoffee - Closest to my heart: One snap per day blended with some quote.

2. Baejaar - Personal blog updated. Frequency of update: unkown (depends on whats happening)

3. Wanna Browse This is updated weekly with text email forwards which I like.

sensiblystoned said...

panch: alright dude i shall wait for 'panch'in punch.

baejaar: cool. thanks for the update.

lonewarrior: yeah, 3-4hrs thats catching up extra sleep that was sorely missed in the previous week ain't it dude? :)

Baejaar said...

Lone warrior: Let us keep the secret between us. If my manager gets to know about this, I will be in deep trouble ;-)

sensiblystoned said...

Vitalstatistix,
Thanks dude for your comments. Good point you make, I would love to make a detailed reply for your comment but at the moment Im hard pressed for time with my finals and term report. Will do so soon.

Anonymous said...

why doesnt john just buy a history book on major sports results, then go back and bet bg money on em, he could be a billionare, then wouldnt have to work as a time traveller.

Anonymous said...

Hi !
Interesting site!Perhaps this character is a Time Traveller and the events he describes have & are coming to pass. This is, on the face of it, is very unique & unlikely to occur by chance.
None the less I believe it is a classic tactic used in by the Military & Intellegence communities.
After all the Easiest way to predict future events or describe our future events is not by Time Travel but by Agenda, Plan, Schedule & strategy. The illuminati New World Order have financed and instigated all wars ,Revolutions & cultural phenomena since 1776. All. No exceptions. The publications
by the N.W.O. ,C.F.R., Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs, Royal Institute, Fabian society & even Albert Pike all describe in detail ,stage by stage all of the events attibuted to "John" decades or even centuaries before they happen. Thus the Time Travel experiences describe by "John" are simply the condensed accounts of the real plans of the Rothschilds/Rockefeller N.W.O.Masonic Illuminati.Yes there will be a civil war in 2008 in the U.S.A. But that is by design as written in the books of Kissinger , Zbigniew Brzezinski , H.G. Wells, Verne, Arthur C.Clarke, George Lucas and many others who are members of the above mentioned groups.
These books & ideas are called "Cultural Primers". Thus ideas are disipated to the public as fiction or political science and are accepted. In actual fact behind the scenes they are simply Agendas in the "Great Work". If you read Kissinger or Rothschild or Rockefeller or Zbigniew Brzezinski , you see every detail, every country & every scenario since Kennendy described perfectly including the outcomes. The Banking Cartels , The New World Order can only become a New World Order, Global Government by wars. Wars create social change as do drugs (Huxley ,Leary) ,Revolutions(Marx,Lenin),Dictators(Stalin,Hitler,Mao,Pol Pot)Violent Horror Videos( Columbia, Tri Star, Universal etc) Scifi(Lucas ,Spielberg,A.C.Clarke), Cults (Moonies, Jonestown, Davidians,Jehovas, Mormons) etc etc . All of these people and groups were members of the above or financed by them as were all president s& Primeministers of the U.K. U.S.A. & all European nations. The exception being Kennedy, Ghandi & Lincoln.

Cheers

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